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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 425 for the eleventh of

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December 2016 Richard Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia you know

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window a bright sunny morning as I

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record this introduction very nice birds

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are singing out there coming up on this

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week's episode of the skeptic zone we

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start our reports from New Zealand the

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New Zealand skeptics conference which

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was held last weekend in beautiful

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Queenstown or just near Queenstown what

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a delight it was to be there what a

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wonderful place the scenery was

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spectacular the conference was

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fascinating on this week's episode we're

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going to be visiting puzzling world

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puzzling world which was the venue for

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the annual New Zealand skeptics dinner

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and awards so we'll be running around

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puzzling world with susan goreck from

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guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia we

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also have the awards themselves as read

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by mark Honeychurch and following that

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we interview the the founder and the

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owner of puzzling world Stuart

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landsborough what is this puzzling world

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place all about why is it so puzzling

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and what's this about a

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one-hundred-thousand-dollar New Zealand

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dollar that is prized for psychic powers

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find out at the top of the show and more

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interviews from the New Zealand skeptics

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conference in the weeks to come and I

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must say a big thank you to Brad McClure

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mark Honeychurch and all the people

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involved in the New Zealand skeptics and

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your conference I was very happy to be

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to be part of that despite the fact that

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just after I gave my own talk on the

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Saturday of the conference the transom

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the trans-tasman cold hit me like a ton

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of bricks goodness me so for those

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people at the conference if you saw me

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sneezing or coughing or what else i was

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doing i hope you understand why

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that was just one of those things and

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but I'm almost better I'm almost better

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never mind i still had a wonderful time

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Zealand report its take stock with

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Shelley stockin uh-huh twins psychic

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that's the question Shelley poses today

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because she is in fact a twin an

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identical twin is she psychic is her

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sister psychic do they know which is

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what and who is who do they know what

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each other is thinking find out with

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Shelley stock and coming up later on in

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the show then we have more brouhaha

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short sides snippets from Australian

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science dot TV this week it's been Lewis

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with three science segments say that

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inspired by a conversation i had with

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going to be reading out a letter I wrote

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many years ago to one of the TV networks

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here in Australia when they started

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showing the program sensing murder now

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sensing murder is a show with a drag

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countryside and see if they can come up

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with fresh clues or evidence too long

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since unsolved murders and missing

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originally started in Denmark or Norway

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network i wrote when I was the president

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one of the times I was president of

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Australian skeptics in the early 2000s

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and the networks reply and look out

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here's a spoiler no psychics do not find

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missing people and solve crimes I'm sure

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you'll be shocked to hear that now in

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other news friends of the Skip doc

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convention in Melbourne she was a out

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had broken bones was pretty messed up

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surgery and bits and pieces ever since

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last night she has been discharged from

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hospital and she'll be spending some

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imagined before flying home so so all

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the best Harriet I'm very was very

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shocked to hear that you had that that

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an awful fall glad that you're out of

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hospital and I hope that you we all hope

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of course that you have a speedy

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recovery and thank goodness for modern

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science and modern medicine indeed more

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more news of other matters at the end of

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the show but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs get some crumpets out of the

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fridge crumpets crumpets remember those

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yeah put them in the toaster I for I've

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got a toaster which has room for four

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four crumpets yeah crumpit those up you

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with a little bit of butter of course

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the butter melts through the little

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crumpet holes one will have Vegemite

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sorry folks who don't like but you might

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one will have honey one will have just

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butter and one might have a bit of

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quince jam what a combination well I go

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to Crump at heaven I hope you enjoy the

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skeptics am

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if you don't attend the 2016 new zealand

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skeptics conference was held in

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beautiful Queenstown in the South Island

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of New Zealand or to be more precise in

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Franklin which is just near Queenstown

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in fact just near the queenstown airport

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was the venue for the conference over

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two and a half days we had very

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interesting talks ranging from my talk

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about the strange devices Susan Grbac

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talking about guerrilla skepticism

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Loretta Marin talking about friends of

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science and medicine naturalist and

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radicchio is there mark Hanna discussing

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science with consumer activism in mind

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wonderful presentation by New Zealand

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teacher tenure lineman and so much more

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the New Zealand skeptics annual dinner

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and this was at a place called puzzling

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world which was a magical place full of

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brain fooling puzzles and optical

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illusions and tricks and all sorts of

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things I was running around with Susan

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I'm with Susan go back again we're a

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puzzling world Susan I'm afraid the

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answer I'm still puzzled I'm afraid DM

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the trans-tasman enough cold is caught

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up of me a little bit tonight

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you're a trooper entropy on we're in

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this massive room we have giant faces on

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the wall of Winston Churchill mother

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trazer Albert Einstein nothing Mandela

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van Gogh and they're all looking at us

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room they all follow it's just stunning

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so it's so Wow and then when you go up

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close to him you see what it is yes this

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is great children need to know come to

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places like this because they help them

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teach in the critical thinking skills of

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what you see is not what you what it is

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all unconscious but they look convicts

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it's exactly like the dragon that Jerry

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this is it so all the faces follow you

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looking at you and they're rotating it

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well why don't we I tell you what why

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don't we go around here and we'll just

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do one more loop of this crazy room oh

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my god that's horrible so they have a

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dramatically mystery spot like a mystery

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spot let these places in the world where

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my voice going it's a really large room

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but this is bigger this is more intense

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and this one really plays with you I

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this gate here here we go the Tilted

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house it's called oh and the first thing

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we see is water running uphill and I'll

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just you can hear it but it's a series

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hollowed-out logs or something there's

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women it affects women more because

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something in our brains the balance it

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upsets us more it might be anecdotal I

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don't know there could be some science

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behind that it doesn't really bother the

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children now we are walking in this

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weird room but walking definitely uphill

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series of steps and everything and it's

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which is up and which is down I think I

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playing havoc with me back to reality oh

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here we are on the other side so I have

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to score an interview with the the man

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who are found in puzzling world he also

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has a hundred-thousand-dollar challenge

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for psychics here I didn't realize that

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you see it yeah come with me all right

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i'll show you the

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hundred-thousand-dollar challenge now

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this isn't from the New Zealand skeptics

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this is a challenge us which is here

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puzzling wall walk down this we're going

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downstairs whatever you need to eat yes

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that's a good question soon I hope we're

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not going down says we ain't out a ramp

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yeah nice dancers pass other optical

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illusions on the wall we're coming back

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down here now if we turn this corner

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passing lots of holograms as we go crazy

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holograms and we come out to this sort

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of the cafeteria gift shop I suppose it

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this ah it's a giant $100,000 a psychic

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challenge I didn't notice this I haven't

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been this far I got lost in them and

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some of the other things here I'll take

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a picture of it so you can put it up on

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the website we can take a picture of it

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psychic challenge co NZ is the website I

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think we're you and I are a bit overcome

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turbulence for you know half an hour or

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designed the soul is anonymous well hi

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everybody this is Susan terrific i'm

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doing the roving reporting for the

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skeptic zone i can cross this off my

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bucket list now and we're at puzzling

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world with the New Zealand skeptics and

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I am here to ask several people how you

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doing with who you are are you enjoying

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the conference Clive is my name hi I'm

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Russell hi I'm vittoria Johnny hello Ben

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I'm here because I like being skeptical

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and that's a hard thing in the normal

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world and it's great amazing good

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speakers hi i'm here because i really

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enjoy meeting similar minded people i'm

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here out of curiosity to get a few views

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challenged and maybe see what killed

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that cat

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oh I'm here because my dad made me come

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no um my university is not skeptically

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minded enough for me and I'm really

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enjoying the conference but great so far

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I'm here as a skeptic and because they'd

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probably pay a lot more for the sound if

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I wasn't then it came time to announce

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the winners of the annual awards

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starting off with the bent spoon award

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skeptics have three awards as I'm sure

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most people have seen today bring a

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community of age etc and then the first

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of all you have is the fence spoon now

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each year the museum skeptics allowed to

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bed spoon award for the new zealand

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organization which is shown the most

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egregious gullibility or lack of

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critical thinking in public coverage off

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or commentary on science related issue

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and we never have a lack of cabinets

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like to be honest so we have a couple of

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runners up that I for burov note so you

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should mention them tonight the first

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one is we have TVNZ now TVNZ shamelessly

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showing old episodes of sensing murder

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and sensing there is a TV program that

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exploits sensationalizes local murders

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by getting psychics to pretend that

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they're helping police to solve the

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crimes and it is just a disgusting show

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and if that wasn't enough this year TVNZ

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filming a new season of the program so

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coming next year back on our TV screens

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we're going to have more sensing murder

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unfortunately so all we can do really is

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get on stuff get on the herald and when

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the articles come up just jump into the

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comments and be skeptical ok so the next

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runner up as I think probably most

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people could guess would be a bit it

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maybe we should have a career as it

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loosely runner-up but this year he's

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done amazingly well so this year he

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claimed that earthquakes of course my

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certain types of sin especially sins

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like being gay just um for me the word

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of this the most worrying bit is that he

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gave this sermon only hours before our

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earthquake Theresa and because it

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happened before my worry is that a lot

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of his walk are going to think that

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maybe he knew that it was coming maybe

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he has got this guy trying to God that

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really scares me because people already

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pay a lot of money I think he's going to

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get more goodness knows what he's going

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to do with it so next up onto the banana

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and the winner of our heads into this

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year is the new zealand herald so the NZ

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herald is a new zealand newspaper with

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an illustrious 150 in history we go for

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a long time however in recent years the

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quality has been slipping as I'm sure

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all people have seen with their online

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click bait it's just getting worse so

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the kind of stuff they've been

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publishing within the last year they had

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an article on how to pick winning

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lottery numbers and they interviewed a

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guy from the states that the figure that

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he sorted out the formula he knew how to

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get lucky numbers they then had another

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article about which shop selling lotto

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tickets for the lucky ones the ones that

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you should go do to increase your chance

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of winning the lottery they then have

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articles like one saying that selfies

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can damage your skin so if you take

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selfies with your phone the light from

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that can damage your skin we had another

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article saying that drinking a bottle of

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wine a day is more healthy

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you know I've mostly audience sympathy

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now and the only disclaimer for these

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articles those last two was just

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scientists said there was no skeptical

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content there was no saying this is

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obviously not believed by the majority

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of scientists or this is a wacky theory

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they they just went with it as if that's

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enough to be authority but of special

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note and I think it's annoyed me imagine

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it annoyed mark Hanna a few others is

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Sandra Claire who's been allowed to

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write a regular column on herbal

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remedies now so I hope I haven't sort of

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run a hurdle remedy company called upon

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Thomas and a lot of the I think we've

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checked with pretty much everything she

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she suggests which is good for a medical

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condition every herb that she says is

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something that her company sells so

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really it's just advert but it's it's

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dressed as news and and that is just

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unconscionable so for that the New

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Zealand Herald are the winner of this

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[Applause]

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the other awards on the night were the

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Bravo awards given as thanks and

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gratitude from the New Zealand skeptics

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and encouragement this year's winners in

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the media were locked and forth dr. J's

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Berenson sure Laura Walters rachel

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thomas and even mark hanna and mark

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Honeychurch the skeptic of the year is

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dr. Susie Wiles the following day I

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caught up with Stuart landsborough the

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founder of puzzling world who told me

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something up its history and also about

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his $100,000 psychic priors the other

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night we had a wonderful dinner at the

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new zealand skeptics conference at

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puzzling world and I'm very lucky to be

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standing with the the what would you

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call yourself the founder the the

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inventor and the inventor and now

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retired and still own it and so I still

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enjoy it do you do I was there as I said

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just last night and it's two lands

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presidents Joe Lansbury am and i started

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in 1973 as a very young man of a 27

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something like that and so you can't see

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me on this thing here but i'm 70 now so

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there's a long time ago 1973 and i

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wanted to build a business of my own i

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wanted to build a business and tourism

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and i wanted to try and do something

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very very different i had an advantage

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that i probably had a father who was the

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most imaginative businessperson you in

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the world just about he started so many

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businesses just after the war and the

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imagination was amazing so me and my

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brothers we just grew up with without

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realizing that that's what normal people

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are not like most people grow up

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thinking there's limitations we grew up

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thinking that imagination was normal

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alright so for somebody who's wondering

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what puzzling world is all about what's

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what would be the quick description and

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where is it located exactly for our

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listeners alright first of all is in New

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Zealand that's in

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okay one occurs in Central Otago not too

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far from Queenstown what is it it's it's

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evolved since 1973 from a very simple

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idea of a very basic one level maze some

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years later I introduced a small puzzle

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shop and I realized the maze was also a

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puzzle so therefore I had the first sort

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of puzzles theme years later I

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introduced a hologram exhibition hall

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now they're not puzzles but they're

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puzzling yeah so I they're still

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wonderful even though we have so many

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amazing things out and technology

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nowadays but and so that the theme

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became puzzling so it's evolved and then

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after that I started some Hera that I

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realized that eccentricity is noticeable

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and good advertising too and so I

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started to build eccentric looking

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buildings buildings that lean so much I

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mean we have one building that Lena's 53

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degrees on one corner well the Leaning

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Tower peas are only lean six degrees

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it's not even on one corner so I believe

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although ours is a lot smaller than

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Peter look it still looks pretty down

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good it has it's quite stogies one of

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the first things you see when you arrive

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you well the incredible buildings as you

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go through along the main highway are so

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noticeable and they've been put in the

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place that you have to see them and my

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feeling is that eccentricity is is very

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very understandable and enjoyable by all

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ages and all nationalities and all

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mentality those home you know

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intelligent or not very intelligent and

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and so therefore in New Zealand

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especially in a remote place like this

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we need as many people as possible in

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the business to be able to afford to

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keep building new and unusual things and

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therefore if we market it to a small

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portion of the market coming through

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just like say young children or adults

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only or especially for Chinese or

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specially for Indian we'd be limiting

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our market very much so the success

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we've had is basically that we target

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everybody the other success

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headers that we actually don't target

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children in our advertising we long time

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ago my first year I suddenly realized

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that if you target children with an

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entertainment you don't get the adults

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him adults think they drive past and

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they'll think oh gosh that's interesting

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i wish i had our children with us and so

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therefore you don't need to advertise to

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children because they want to go in here

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right so therefore all my advertising I

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try to put in is without our photographs

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so you don't find their docs away well I

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mean I we were there last night with it

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with the group of adults and they were

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running around like children into this

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room to that room to the room which is

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served at an angle a little house we

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call that tilt a house which completely

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just orange at you and it confuses your

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senses there's a giant room of faces and

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none nothing there and it never crossed

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my mind that this wouldn't appeal to

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everybody it certainly appealed to all

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of us now the other interesting aspect

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of what you do or what you have been

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doing for many years is you to like the

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Australian skeptics you have an a

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one-hundred-thousand-dollar psychic

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challenge a hundred thousand new zealand

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dollars year so it's nearly a quiet

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rally almost almost better i think i

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know joking what's the history behind

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the starting in nineteen ninety four

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which is getting a long time ago now I i

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had my puzzle center puzzling

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eccentricity idea there and I and I

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realized that with my skepticism and my

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sort of wanting to do something to help

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against psychics and those sort of

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people there I could introduce something

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into my business that didn't stand out

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like a sore thumb it was it actually

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fitted in quite well and so therefore i

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started the challenge for fifty thousand

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dollars in those days cuz that's that's

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a lot of us a lot of money in those days

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yeah and then I had I had a promissory

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note hidden somewhere within about five

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kilometers I was a little bit nervous in

541
00:24:59,039 --> 00:24:57,639
the first stage you know because of that

542
00:25:00,659 --> 00:24:59,049
although I'm skeptic completely

543
00:25:01,860 --> 00:25:00,669
skeptical you always wonder whether

544
00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:01,870
you're going to lose some

545
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:03,640
rather but in how I had my first

546
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:06,930
Challenger and she was totally useless

547
00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:09,610
she was a psychic that sort of winton

548
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:12,700
sold her sold her skills for money and

549
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:16,270
still failed and then so I reduced it to

550
00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:19,450
200 meters from as the location in the

551
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:23,080
middle of the puzzling world and Nick's

552
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:25,690
I had all together I've had what I call

553
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,010
7 serious challenges since that time

554
00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:32,080
many many many I have refused as

555
00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:33,460
challenges partly because some of them

556
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:34,630
are on the internet and they want to do

557
00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:36,490
it from overseas well give you can't do

558
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:39,280
that pc if they got it right i could

559
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:41,050
quite easily they could say i'm not

560
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:43,450
telling the truth and so they had to be

561
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:45,970
there and then when people did the

562
00:25:49,710 --> 00:25:47,530
challenge when they failed i always

563
00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:49,720
showed them whether the promissory note

564
00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:51,700
was hidden them and then of course when

565
00:25:58,919 --> 00:25:54,160
they went away i had relocated it of

566
00:26:02,340 --> 00:25:58,929
course yeah and and so over the years i

567
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:02,350
moved it around after each one I'd have

568
00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:04,570
thousands and thousands of people who

569
00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:06,280
would like to take the challenge up but

570
00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:09,100
to stop wasting my time I made a

571
00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:11,950
thousand dollar they had to pay me a

572
00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:16,120
thousand dollars supposedly to do the

573
00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:17,800
challenge of course when they actually

574
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:19,780
made the appointment and in the end I

575
00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:21,490
didn't take the thousand dollars because

576
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:24,580
that was just one way of making sure

577
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:26,650
that I had serious challengers who

578
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:30,130
believed in themselves otherwise I'd be

579
00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:32,110
a full-time job just people lighting up

580
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:33,640
yeah because I think well I might get a

581
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:35,530
slight chance of getting it lucky of

582
00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:38,470
course of course and anyhow so round

583
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:41,350
about oh let's know since quite a lot of

584
00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:42,760
years now ago probably about 15 years

585
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:45,400
ago i reduced it to within a hundred

586
00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:47,950
meters of the center of puzzling world

587
00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:52,030
there and i also state that it's located

588
00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:55,630
somewhere in a place that's very easy to

589
00:27:00,030 --> 00:26:57,400
visualize and there was not in the

590
00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:00,040
middle of a lawn because of course we're

591
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:01,390
in the lawn do you visualize a blade of

592
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:03,790
grass but something that is so easy to

593
00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:06,490
visualize that i could put the measured

594
00:27:11,550 --> 00:27:08,950
across through the ether and they should

595
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:11,560
be able to get it but because it's

596
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:13,390
getting to a smaller and smaller radius

597
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:15,030
there's a limited amount

598
00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:17,070
very visualize of things you can

599
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:19,470
visualize so I Utley divided the

600
00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:21,240
promissory note into to cut it in half

601
00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:24,800
and I located in two different places

602
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,800
now the idea of this was the firmware my

603
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:31,260
philosophy there is that if a psychic

604
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:34,110
can find one they have no problems in

605
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,450
finding too so it's not making it harder

606
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:38,700
for them but what it is it means that

607
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:41,310
there there's no chance of them actually

608
00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:44,130
getting it right by accident and you

609
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:45,420
don't want people to get it right by

610
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:47,490
accident if someone's going to get it

611
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:49,170
you want it to be through genuine

612
00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:51,330
psychic ability if that exists yeah but

613
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:53,040
the other thing of course is that people

614
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:55,530
often say well what happens if they get

615
00:28:00,800 --> 00:27:59,400
it nearly right and a court and I say

616
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:00,810
well what do you mean nearly right do

617
00:28:06,530 --> 00:28:02,910
you mean one inch away or let say two

618
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:06,540
centimeters a meter away 10 meters away

619
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:08,610
20 meters away when does it become

620
00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:10,980
nearly right and surely to goodness if

621
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:12,030
they get in nearly right they should

622
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:14,610
then be able to get it right yeah and so

623
00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:16,200
they're either right or wrong there's

624
00:28:20,150 --> 00:28:18,660
nothing in between and it's important to

625
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:20,160
make that distinction otherwise you get

626
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:22,020
people arguing about the results and

627
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:24,180
things like that we find out yeah so

628
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:26,760
I've had as I say seven people try the

629
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:29,820
challenge they're not all so-called

630
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:32,870
psychics one of them was a water diviner

631
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:36,000
when I'm not a water divined any finding

632
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,390
yes in general with his rods and cures

633
00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:41,220
enough his rods went up and down all

634
00:28:46,670 --> 00:28:43,670
over the place and multiple places and

635
00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:46,680
never right I had one born again

636
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:49,230
Christian that went home for the night

637
00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:50,910
so he went home said I'm gonna pray

638
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:52,830
tonight and come back tomorrow with the

639
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:55,860
answer he never came back he had his

640
00:29:00,500 --> 00:28:58,260
outs of it that's right I don't do it

641
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:00,510
over here but then I had an interesting

642
00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:03,210
one that I didn't actually take up and

643
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:05,070
that was a quite a nice young lady

644
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:06,930
probably about 30 she walked into our

645
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:09,480
puzzle center with her young child and

646
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:11,610
she asked for me and I went across it's

647
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,350
going to help you and she said I'd like

648
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:15,600
to accept your challenge and I said I'll

649
00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:17,940
fine and I told her the rules really

650
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,160
well actually what you got to do is you

651
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:22,620
got to put your hands on my bare breasts

652
00:29:29,639 --> 00:29:26,830
and because that some have

653
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:29,649
there was a message from my from her

654
00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:31,630
breasts to know the other way round his

655
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:34,390
neck my head to my hands to her breasts

656
00:29:39,389 --> 00:29:36,850
and and I looked at her I thought no

657
00:29:41,399 --> 00:29:39,399
that would be interesting a story for

658
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:41,409
the media I'm sure but may be best left

659
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:44,200
that one alone I didn't want to risk it

660
00:29:49,649 --> 00:29:47,140
but it's very nice young lady and but

661
00:29:53,009 --> 00:29:49,659
they're actually all nice people and

662
00:29:54,509 --> 00:29:53,019
what they always lost with good humor I

663
00:29:57,389 --> 00:29:54,519
had another person wanted to challenge

664
00:29:59,490 --> 00:29:57,399
me at you what a pleasant it accept the

665
00:30:01,440 --> 00:29:59,500
challenge but some weeks or months

666
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:01,450
before she rang up and said can I do it

667
00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:04,330
over the phone and I said and now and so

668
00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:06,460
she said well could we do it for fun

669
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:09,070
without the money and without but i can

670
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:11,289
either prize if i win and and I so ok

671
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:13,570
what do you just talk to me and she said

672
00:30:17,490 --> 00:30:15,220
now I can visualize the entrance your

673
00:30:21,659 --> 00:30:17,500
puzzling world she said and I can I can

674
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:21,669
visualize a big spreading old tree at

675
00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:24,070
the entrance way and immediately I knew

676
00:30:28,830 --> 00:30:26,440
she was wrong because it was pretty bare

677
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:28,840
of anything apart from a few slender

678
00:30:33,389 --> 00:30:32,049
young poplar trees so she got that round

679
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:33,399
there but she came back a few months

680
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:40,470
later and she did the the challenge but

681
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:44,620
when she finished I had to show her

682
00:30:49,409 --> 00:30:46,750
where it was so I said well let follow

683
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:49,419
me and I took her up to my house which

684
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:52,120
was about a hundred meters away and I

685
00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:53,710
took him to the living room and there

686
00:30:59,129 --> 00:30:57,100
was my my partner of two years and I

687
00:31:00,690 --> 00:30:59,139
said to my partner I've got to show

688
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:00,700
these people where the psychic

689
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:03,700
challenger promissory note is and my

690
00:31:10,289 --> 00:31:07,120
wife became a very indignant she said I

691
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,299
have cleaned every inch of this house in

692
00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:12,880
the last two years and it's not in this

693
00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:15,460
house so I said always do this and I

694
00:31:19,289 --> 00:31:17,409
took them up to the toilet and I lifted

695
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:19,299
the lid off the system of the toilet and

696
00:31:24,419 --> 00:31:21,610
here was been floating for two years up

697
00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:24,429
and down in a gem jar so I proved my

698
00:31:28,919 --> 00:31:26,260
wife wasn't as good a cleaner she

699
00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:28,929
thought she was now if people want to

700
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,429
find out more about puzzling world and

701
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:31,600
hopefully when they're in New Zealand

702
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:32,950
they can come for a visit or locals

703
00:31:37,379 --> 00:31:35,110
what's what's the address and what's the

704
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:37,389
website well the dress of partner

705
00:31:39,869 --> 00:31:39,070
puzzling world is just basically main

706
00:31:41,999 --> 00:31:39,879
highway 1

707
00:31:44,489 --> 00:31:42,009
you can can't miss it as you go into one

708
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:44,499
occur it's so visual and the puzzling

709
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:47,499
world is puzzling the world got code n

710
00:31:53,249 --> 00:31:51,039
said so it's puzzling world code and

711
00:31:55,099 --> 00:31:53,259
said well thank you very much and I look

712
00:31:57,569 --> 00:31:55,109
forward to my next visit where I'll be

713
00:31:59,459 --> 00:31:57,579
undoubtedly confused and puzzled once

714
00:32:06,419 --> 00:31:59,469
again thank you very much i enjoy

715
00:32:08,069 --> 00:32:06,429
talking to you more interviews and

716
00:32:10,540 --> 00:32:08,079
reports from the new zealand skeptics

717
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:10,550
conference in the following weeks

718
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:17,810
[Music]

719
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:33,810
this December in California i'll be

720
00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:36,100
giving my talk strange energies and even

721
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:39,150
stranger devices too good to be true on

722
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:41,830
the twenty-ninth and the 30th of

723
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:44,530
december the torque on the 29th or

724
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,330
december will be in berkeley and on the

725
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,600
30th in irvine my hosts for berkeley

726
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:51,760
event will be the Bay Area skeptics and

727
00:33:00,060 --> 00:32:54,490
my hosts in irvine will be the orange

728
00:33:01,950 --> 00:33:00,070
county science club for more information

729
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:01,960
and to book your seat see the show notes

730
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:04,690
linked to this episode of the skeptic

731
00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:08,530
zone i'm looking forward to seeing you

732
00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:19,480
in california greetings listeners it's

733
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:22,300
me captain disillusion on my youtube

734
00:33:27,270 --> 00:33:24,700
channel called captain disillusion aye

735
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:27,280
captain disillusion analyzed viral

736
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:29,350
videos of the strange and unbelievable I

737
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:31,690
explain how interframe video compression

738
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:34,330
3d motion tracking and stock the effects

739
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:36,490
elements prove that Justin Bieber is not

740
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:38,590
a secret reptilian alien that those

741
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:40,270
videos of ghost cars are just

742
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:42,490
unintentional optical illusions and that

743
00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:44,290
lightning did not strike a few feet away

744
00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:45,880
from a girl on a beach as we saw on the

745
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:48,760
news I'm real fun at parties my best

746
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,190
friend is a lens flare eat a dimmer

747
00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:53,200
switch disillusion I do know other

748
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,150
people sometimes they even show up in my

749
00:33:59,700 --> 00:33:57,760
videos people like skepticism is grandpa

750
00:34:02,580 --> 00:33:59,710
james randi sirve de Soleil Acrobat

751
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:02,590
Erica Lynn's weight loss enthusiast Penn

752
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,750
Jillette and the actual Beekman from

753
00:34:08,909 --> 00:34:06,880
Beakman's world I hope you'll check out

754
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:08,919
my adventures interact with me in a

755
00:34:13,830 --> 00:34:11,080
platonic way and even consider becoming

756
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:13,840
a patron of my work you can do all that

757
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:16,450
and more on youtube or at captain

758
00:34:27,609 --> 00:34:17,960
disillusion calm

759
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:32,210
interesting claims questioning take

760
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:42,659
stock with Shelly stalkin hi this is

761
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:48,260
Shelly stockin and I think I'm psychic

762
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:52,049
yeah i mean i haven't accurately

763
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:54,929
predicted the future or spoken to any

764
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,200
dead people recently but for many years

765
00:35:03,319 --> 00:35:00,420
over and over again i've been told by

766
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:03,329
people even people i hardly know that

767
00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:07,770
I'm psychic you see I'm an identical

768
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:12,390
twin now when someone I meet discovers

769
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:14,730
I'm a twin a typical exchange goes like

770
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:19,770
this oh my god you're a twin yes are you

771
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,280
identical yes do you know what your

772
00:35:31,309 --> 00:35:24,960
sisters thinking can you feel her pain

773
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:31,319
are you psychic yet no many many people

774
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:33,569
are convinced that twins have a special

775
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:35,910
psychic connection that they read each

776
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:38,280
other's thoughts or that they in fact

777
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:42,119
share a single mind where does this idea

778
00:35:48,789 --> 00:35:45,839
come from perhaps the first reference to

779
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:48,799
twin telepathy is in Alexander Dumas

780
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:51,920
1844 novella the Corsican brothers in

781
00:35:57,289 --> 00:35:54,690
which conjoined twin brothers separated

782
00:36:01,579 --> 00:35:57,299
at birth continue to feel the pain of

783
00:36:03,799 --> 00:36:01,589
the other throughout their lives since

784
00:36:06,049 --> 00:36:03,809
then the idea that twins share thoughts

785
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:06,059
and sensations has been repeated over

786
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:08,970
and over in books films and other forms

787
00:36:13,789 --> 00:36:11,460
of popular culture to the point where

788
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:13,799
it's become a widely accepted if not

789
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,780
proven phenomenon it's not unusual for

790
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:20,940
tweens to finish each other's sentences

791
00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:22,980
when speaking or think of each other

792
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:25,109
when they're physically separated which

793
00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:27,750
only serves to confirm the psychic ID in

794
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:31,470
some people's minds including some twins

795
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,190
some even make careers out of it most

796
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,920
famously Linda and Terry jemison

797
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:40,440
otherwise known as the psychic twins

798
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:42,750
have built something of an empire around

799
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,770
their claimed psychic abilities more

800
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:48,720
than just a sideshow of cute tweenie

801
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:51,750
coincidences these twins born in

802
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:53,400
Pennsylvania and now living in

803
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:55,859
California have been making money from

804
00:37:01,280 --> 00:36:58,020
their skills for more than 25 years and

805
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:01,290
claimed to have predicted 911 several

806
00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:03,570
airplane crashes and the Paris terror

807
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:07,109
attacks there appears to be as much

808
00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:09,240
evidence for the psychic twins abilities

809
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:11,340
as there is for any other celebrity

810
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:15,630
psychics abilities but what about my own

811
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:19,680
personal experience I can remember my

812
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:21,720
sister and I having the same dream on

813
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:23,960
the same night when we were children

814
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:26,940
when we were a little older out dancing

815
00:37:32,330 --> 00:37:29,070
in the city I developed the sudden

816
00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:32,340
headache just outside the nightclub my

817
00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:34,080
sister had accidentally been pushed over

818
00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:38,580
and had hit her head on a wall one day

819
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:40,470
we turned up at a birthday party wearing

820
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,750
the same brand and style of jeans which

821
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:44,700
we'd bought from the same online store

822
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:48,510
during the previous week and recently

823
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:51,510
without any prior consultation we met

824
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:53,190
each other at the airport wearing black

825
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:55,260
suits black shoes and black and white

826
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:58,770
striped tops we are constantly finishing

827
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:01,020
each other's sentences we can often

828
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:03,060
managed to have a complete conversation

829
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:04,830
using little more than a few grunts and

830
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:08,550
giggles in our own special language is

831
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:11,570
all this evidence of psychic abilities

832
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:16,230
science says no none of the studies done

833
00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:18,570
on twins show any convincing evidence of

834
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:22,580
telepathy ESP or other psychic phenomena

835
00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:26,730
for example in 1993 Susan Blackmore and

836
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:28,830
Francis Chamberlain performed tests on

837
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:30,540
identical twins in which they were

838
00:38:34,820 --> 00:38:32,520
placed in separate rooms and asked to

839
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,830
draw a picture choose a photograph or

840
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:36,720
write a number that their sibling was

841
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:40,260
thinking of the research has performed

842
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:42,180
these tests under conditions that would

843
00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:44,220
indicate if the twins performance was

844
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:44,980
due to thought

845
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:47,290
concordance that is thinking more

846
00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:51,760
similarly than other people or ESP the

847
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:53,830
discussion of the study in the Journal

848
00:39:00,120 --> 00:38:56,260
of the Society for psychical research

849
00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:00,130
says quote in many everyday situations

850
00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:02,380
thought concordance might easily be

851
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:04,180
misinterpreted as a meaningful

852
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:07,180
coincidence as telepathy or some other

853
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:11,410
form of ESP if twins have greater

854
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:13,390
thought concordance than others then

855
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:14,500
they are likely to have these

856
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:17,710
experiences more often this in turn may

857
00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:19,510
encourage them to think they have

858
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,640
experienced the paranormal or have

859
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:23,830
psychic ability whether they do or not

860
00:39:30,030 --> 00:39:28,060
end quote dr. Nancy Segel director of

861
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:30,040
the twin study center at california

862
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:33,820
state university also says no when asked

863
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:35,710
about the existence of an extrasensory

864
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:37,990
connection between twins in an interview

865
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:40,170
for National Geographic she said I've

866
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,700
never directly witnessed anything like

867
00:39:47,099 --> 00:39:45,520
that twins do sometimes say they can

868
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:47,109
sense when the other is in trouble of

869
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:50,050
course when you worry about somebody 20

870
00:39:54,030 --> 00:39:52,420
times a day chances are that one of

871
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,040
those times they're going to really need

872
00:39:59,099 --> 00:39:56,700
your help that doesn't make it telepathy

873
00:40:01,830 --> 00:39:59,109
despite what Nancy segel and other

874
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:01,840
researchers say the spookily frequent

875
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:03,970
coincidences that occur with twins are

876
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:06,790
still pretty amazing at least they seem

877
00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:09,310
amazing until you think about how many

878
00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:12,840
things happen that aren't coincidences I

879
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:15,640
mean I'll always recall the night my

880
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:18,040
sister and I had the same dream but the

881
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:19,690
many thousands of nights we've dreamed

882
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:23,770
differently easily forgotten for every

883
00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:25,570
day that I've chosen the same outfit as

884
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:27,460
my sister there have been hundreds and

885
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:31,180
hundreds of days I haven't and that

886
00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:32,920
night I had a headache when my sister

887
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:35,260
injured her head it was late at night

888
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:37,390
I'd been drinking alcohol and dancing to

889
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:39,460
loud music a headache was almost

890
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:41,590
inevitable regardless of my sisters

891
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,240
misfortune of course amazing coincidence

892
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:47,920
has happened to people who aren't twins

893
00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:50,890
too but if we already have it in our

894
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:53,140
minds that twins have a kind of psychic

895
00:40:58,620 --> 00:40:55,330
connection then that will influence our

896
00:41:00,450 --> 00:40:58,630
perception of an anecdote for it

897
00:41:03,089 --> 00:41:00,460
example if you hear about two totally

898
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:03,099
unrelated people who both Mary doctors

899
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:05,049
and both have two children two years

900
00:41:11,069 --> 00:41:09,220
apart you might not think much of it but

901
00:41:13,019 --> 00:41:11,079
if it's a pair of twins separated at

902
00:41:17,819 --> 00:41:13,029
Birth who do the same thing you might

903
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:17,829
think whoa the experiences my sister and

904
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:19,960
I have shared might seem incredible to

905
00:41:25,799 --> 00:41:22,420
some people and appear to demonstrate

906
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:25,809
amazing psychic abilities but they're

907
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:27,849
really no big deal if you consider we

908
00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:29,650
grew up at exactly the same time and

909
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:31,960
spent nearly every minute of every day

910
00:41:36,359 --> 00:41:33,670
in each other's company until we

911
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:36,369
finished school we still speak to each

912
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,130
other every day so we know each other

913
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:41,160
better than most people can know anyone

914
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:43,930
we share the same memories which are

915
00:41:48,779 --> 00:41:46,569
triggered by the same words or events we

916
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:48,789
approach situations and react to stimuli

917
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,910
in similar ways we're attracted to

918
00:41:56,789 --> 00:41:54,160
similar people and things we have

919
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:56,799
similar values standards passions and

920
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:00,910
puns people often treat us as if we were

921
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:03,400
the same person with that kind of

922
00:42:10,259 --> 00:42:05,950
background having the same thoughts and

923
00:42:13,170 --> 00:42:10,269
dreams seems rather less remarkable even

924
00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:13,180
so I still think I might be psychic at

925
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:15,640
least as psychic as any other psychic

926
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:19,210
person I've met now just before I go I

927
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:21,400
want to say hi to my sister Jo if you're

928
00:42:26,609 --> 00:42:23,650
listening which I already know you are

929
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:26,619
of course because I'm psychic also

930
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,150
because I told you i was doing this and

931
00:42:32,190 --> 00:42:29,920
when it was coming out and if you don't

932
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:32,200
listen to it i'll be pretty annoyed but

933
00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:35,170
mostly because you know the psychic

934
00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:50,509
[Music]

935
00:42:56,789 --> 00:42:54,269
and now direct from the cafe at

936
00:43:04,440 --> 00:42:56,799
Australia's Science Channel it's

937
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:04,450
brouhaha with Ben Lewis it's the first

938
00:43:08,279 --> 00:43:06,460
December and if you're anything like me

939
00:43:10,709 --> 00:43:08,289
you're rushing to get everything done

940
00:43:12,509 --> 00:43:10,719
before the end of year so hold on time

941
00:43:15,029 --> 00:43:12,519
because when the squeeze in a science

942
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:15,039
smorgasbord of everything thats excited

943
00:43:19,799 --> 00:43:17,950
us today a group of 14 South African

944
00:43:22,259 --> 00:43:19,809
school girls are designing and building

945
00:43:23,999 --> 00:43:22,269
actors first proper satellite it'll

946
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:24,009
launch next year's track climate effects

947
00:43:30,299 --> 00:43:28,450
boom girl power a group of students in

948
00:43:32,969 --> 00:43:30,309
Australia have worked out how to make

949
00:43:34,739 --> 00:43:32,979
the drug daraprim in a school lab the

950
00:43:36,779 --> 00:43:34,749
same drug that the world's most hated

951
00:43:38,759 --> 00:43:36,789
man marsland for Kelly jacked the price

952
00:43:41,459 --> 00:43:38,769
to over a thousand dollars per dose

953
00:43:44,459 --> 00:43:41,469
these kids have done it for two bucks

954
00:43:46,859 --> 00:43:44,469
you know what else costs two bucks most

955
00:43:48,839 --> 00:43:46,869
things for the tuckshop coincidence i

956
00:43:50,819 --> 00:43:48,849
think not

957
00:43:53,219 --> 00:43:50,829
the Pope is called out climate deniers

958
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:53,229
saying there has never been such a clear

959
00:43:59,279 --> 00:43:55,960
need for science scientists responded

960
00:44:02,400 --> 00:43:59,289
the guy that funny hats right now should

961
00:44:04,589 --> 00:44:02,410
we have a chat about evolution the UK

962
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,599
has just released plastic banknotes and

963
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:07,119
it turns out they contain a very small

964
00:44:12,509 --> 00:44:09,940
amount of extract from beef tallow of

965
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:12,519
course we're probably to blame polymer

966
00:44:18,059 --> 00:44:15,249
banknotes are an Australian invention so

967
00:44:21,749 --> 00:44:18,069
sorry vegetarians no more raising money

968
00:44:23,999 --> 00:44:21,759
and finally scurvy is back in Sydney

969
00:44:25,529 --> 00:44:24,009
break out the fresh fruits and veggies

970
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:25,539
because while talking like a pirate

971
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:28,470
might be cool being sick as one isn't

972
00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:33,150
[Music]

973
00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:35,349
you've just finished a morning coffee

974
00:44:38,999 --> 00:44:37,059
and you're left holding that paper cup

975
00:44:40,969 --> 00:44:39,009
looking for a way to get rid of it do

976
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:40,979
you recycle it or throw it in the trash

977
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:43,150
chances are if your name is written on

978
00:44:46,289 --> 00:44:44,380
it you'll be putting it into the

979
00:44:48,289 --> 00:44:46,299
recycling but if it's just another

980
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:48,299
generic cup you chuck it in the bin

981
00:44:53,339 --> 00:44:50,920
people are more life is recycling things

982
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:53,349
they see as part of their identity that

983
00:44:56,759 --> 00:44:55,180
feeling can be created by something as

984
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,769
little as having their name written on

985
00:45:01,799 --> 00:44:59,440
it so Fabrice to jot your name onto a

986
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:01,809
cup you're twice as life is recycle it

987
00:45:05,969 --> 00:45:04,180
than if it's blank but if that Brister

988
00:45:08,130 --> 00:45:05,979
spells your name wrong you're even less

989
00:45:11,969 --> 00:45:08,140
likely to recycle it you kind of think

990
00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:11,979
well it's just not me and it's not just

991
00:45:17,069 --> 00:45:14,140
coffee cups it goes for other items to

992
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,079
you so bursters out there it's up to you

993
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:19,599
write our names on their cups and for

994
00:45:23,609 --> 00:45:21,430
goodness sakes spelled incorrectly and

995
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:23,619
you can help make a difference saving

996
00:45:29,099 --> 00:45:26,710
the world be a hero and everyone else

997
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,109
you know what just get a reusable cup

998
00:45:38,330 --> 00:45:35,599
welcome to the neighborhood proxima be

999
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:38,340
the newly discovered EXO planet orbits

1000
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,470
the nearest star to our own Sun Proxima

1001
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:42,900
Centauri a mere four point two

1002
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:45,780
light-years away there's still much to

1003
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:47,970
find out about it let's assume that it

1004
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:50,250
has an atmosphere and water and take the

1005
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:52,859
short 80,000 you hop over for a quick

1006
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:54,510
getaway the first thing you'll probably

1007
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,060
notice is the sky has three sons as

1008
00:46:02,810 --> 00:46:00,240
fifty percent better than Tatooine but

1009
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:02,820
unfortunately proxima B is really close

1010
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:05,820
to its red dwarf star firstly this means

1011
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:08,010
that everything is sepia tone kind of

1012
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:09,780
like living permanently inside an

1013
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:13,050
Instagram filter Proxima Centauri also

1014
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,050
lashes the planet with solar flares

1015
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:17,940
meaning will either have a wicked tan or

1016
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:20,280
be burnt to a crisp see you better pack

1017
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:23,250
sunscreen but it will be pleasant the

1018
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,290
temperature is thought to be about 30

1019
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:28,800
degrees Celsius and after a hard day of

1020
00:46:32,930 --> 00:46:30,390
exploring the surface we will probably

1021
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:32,940
be looking forward to some shut-eye but

1022
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,190
unfortunately sleep won't come easy as

1023
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:38,040
Proxima be is tidally locked when one

1024
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:40,410
side is always in the light and the

1025
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,450
other side it'll probably be full of

1026
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:44,400
Goths thanks to its permanent darkness

1027
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:46,890
so while it might not be the best

1028
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:49,080
holiday destination in the universe the

1029
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:51,330
discovery of an earth-like planets so

1030
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:54,150
close to us is still the most exciting

1031
00:46:59,920 --> 00:46:55,890
thing that's happened in the search for

1032
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:02,890
for more brouhaha and Australian science

1033
00:47:26,890 --> 00:47:24,849
during my recent trip to New Zealand for

1034
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:26,900
the New Zealand skeptics and your

1035
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,570
conference I discovered that another

1036
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:32,240
series of the wretched show sensing

1037
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:36,079
murder is going to be produced in 2017

1038
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:38,180
for those of you who don't know this is

1039
00:47:41,579 --> 00:47:40,410
the show where they take psychics they

1040
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:41,589
[Music]

1041
00:47:47,020 --> 00:47:43,970
take people claiming psychic power

1042
00:47:51,460 --> 00:47:47,030
around the countryside and asked him to

1043
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:51,470
find new information fresh clues are for

1044
00:47:59,170 --> 00:47:55,070
cold-case murders I first saw the show

1045
00:48:02,349 --> 00:47:59,180
way back in 2003 or 2004 here in

1046
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:02,359
Australia where it was produced by the

1047
00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:04,190
seven network 41 series and then

1048
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:06,440
migrated to the Ten Network for probably

1049
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:09,530
another series and then it seemed to

1050
00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:13,520
just disappear from our screens to the

1051
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,280
production apparently then headed to New

1052
00:48:22,569 --> 00:48:19,040
Zealand where it's been plaguing that

1053
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:22,579
country ever since in 2004 when I was

1054
00:48:26,589 --> 00:48:24,260
the president of the Australian skeptics

1055
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:26,599
I wrote the following letter to david

1056
00:48:34,050 --> 00:48:29,089
motte who was then the general manager

1057
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:36,960
to David Mott general manager network

1058
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:41,110
ten Australia dear mr. Mott I am writing

1059
00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:44,650
to voice my protest at network ten for

1060
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:48,120
producing the TV series sensing murder I

1061
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:50,790
assure you this is no knee-jerk all

1062
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,310
psychics a rubbish reaction my concern

1063
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,800
is based on two grounds first the claim

1064
00:49:01,620 --> 00:48:58,960
that so-called psychics can and have

1065
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,630
played a role in solving crimes is false

1066
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:04,240
and second that their meddling in

1067
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,220
criminal investigations is to say the

1068
00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:09,280
least counterproductive if psychics

1069
00:49:13,590 --> 00:49:11,620
really could solve crimes wouldn't every

1070
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:13,600
police force around the world have a

1071
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:17,020
psychic division imagine the dramatic

1072
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:19,590
improvement in clear up rates and the

1073
00:49:24,930 --> 00:49:22,410
deterrent effect on would-be criminals

1074
00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:24,940
imagine the relief to families of the

1075
00:49:29,970 --> 00:49:27,700
missing and murdered when the psychics

1076
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:29,980
provided the answers they so desperately

1077
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:33,040
were seeking I'm afraid that imagining

1078
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:35,950
is all you can do as you know as well as

1079
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I that this is just not the case in fact

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in terms of Criminal Investigations

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00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:45,220
psychics are regarded as pests they

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waste time and police resources and

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consistently fail to provide

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investigators with any information that

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could lead to the solution of crimes or

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00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,550
the discovery of missing persons and far

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from helping the families the missing

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and murdered psychics often found these

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00:50:08,310 --> 00:50:05,050
unfortunate people using their suffering

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as a tool of self-promotion the great

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damage that this show will do apart from

1092
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:12,370
giving false hope to the families of

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00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:14,740
murder victims is to promote the

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mistaken belief that psychics can and do

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help the police by using their supposed

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supernatural powers the fast that is

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sensing murder will no doubt add to this

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sad situation all this in the name of

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ratings as after all it is a TV show

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format designed to get bums on seats not

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to solve crimes if I'm wrong then where

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00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:42,640
is the evidence after all these years

1103
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:45,070
which criminal has been convicted which

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00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:47,170
missing person has been found do too

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00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:50,490
vital information from psychic powers

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00:50:55,170 --> 00:50:53,530
sensing murder and a network ten are now

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in the running to win the annual bent

1108
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spoon ward and our national convention

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being held this November in Sydney I

1110
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would also like to praise the Seven

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Network for the show forensic

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00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:08,619
investigators a fascinating series that

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promotes the real work of scientific

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criminal investigations that do solve

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00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:16,059
crimes I leave you with a quote from the

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00:51:21,530 --> 00:51:18,490
father of Jeanette Tate a 13 year old

1117
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:21,540
English girl who disappeared in 1978

1118
00:51:27,299 --> 00:51:24,730
many people came to us offering threads

1119
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:27,309
of hope we clutched at them desperately

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00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:29,650
in the early days but the promises of

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00:51:35,069 --> 00:51:32,140
the psychics were all lies they raised

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00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,079
false hope in us at times we really

1123
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:37,599
believed we were on to something the

1124
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:39,970
suggestions and ideas preyed on our

1125
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:42,010
minds but always when it came to the

1126
00:51:48,780 --> 00:51:45,839
crunch the so-called leads and ideas led

1127
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:48,790
absolutely nowhere but into a pit of

1128
00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:51,430
despair we discovered that the work of

1129
00:51:56,609 --> 00:51:53,500
the psychics was not just ludicrous and

1130
00:51:59,339 --> 00:51:56,619
laughable it was sinister and evil once

1131
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:59,349
we got into that web of deceit and that

1132
00:52:05,579 --> 00:52:02,559
is what it was we found it very hard to

1133
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,589
struggle free none of it ever led

1134
00:52:10,530 --> 00:52:07,599
anywhere except to despair and

1135
00:52:12,569 --> 00:52:10,540
disappointment misery and confusion we

1136
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:12,579
had become enslaved to the suggestions

1137
00:52:17,069 --> 00:52:15,190
of the psychics from Lynn Kelly's book

1138
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:17,079
the skeptics guide to the paranormal

1139
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:22,240
page 154 to 155 please call Australian

1140
00:52:27,089 --> 00:52:24,130
skeptics on the number below for more

1141
00:52:29,460 --> 00:52:27,099
information and comment yours truly

1142
00:52:32,609 --> 00:52:29,470
Richard Saunders president Australian

1143
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:32,619
skeptics Inc shortly after came the

1144
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:35,950
reply to mr. Richardson is President

1145
00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:38,049
Australian skeptics Inc dear mr.

1146
00:52:43,980 --> 00:52:40,990
Saunders re sensing murder thank you for

1147
00:52:46,799 --> 00:52:43,990
your letter dated 27th of September 2004

1148
00:52:48,839 --> 00:52:46,809
regarding the series sensing murder the

1149
00:52:50,849 --> 00:52:48,849
type of material that may be broadcast

1150
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:50,859
on commercial television is governed by

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00:52:55,770 --> 00:52:53,410
the commercial television industry code

1152
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,780
of practice the code has been registered

1153
00:52:59,339 --> 00:52:56,559
with the Australian Broadcasting

1154
00:53:00,960 --> 00:52:59,349
Authority and has been formulated after

1155
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,970
extensive consultation with

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00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:03,280
advisory bodies community interest

1157
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:06,190
groups and the public generally it sets

1158
00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:08,230
out the requirements for a program to

1159
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:10,180
comply with a particular classification

1160
00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:13,420
category and the times at which programs

1161
00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:15,550
of particular classification category

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00:53:21,450 --> 00:53:18,700
may be broadcast we take care to ensure

1163
00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:21,460
that our programs and program promotions

1164
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:24,340
comply with these provisions as well as

1165
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:26,530
other relevant laws program standards

1166
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:29,320
and industry codes sensing murder is

1167
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,380
classified M which recommends viewing

1168
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:34,720
for mature viewers of 15 years and older

1169
00:53:39,930 --> 00:53:37,750
in addition to this classification the

1170
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:39,940
program carries consumer advice lines

1171
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:42,490
noting the principle elements that have

1172
00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:45,420
contributed to the application of the M

1173
00:53:49,830 --> 00:53:48,070
classification classifications and

1174
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:49,840
consumer advice are provided so that

1175
00:53:54,359 --> 00:53:52,570
viewers may make informed viewing

1176
00:53:56,370 --> 00:53:54,369
decisions for themselves and those in

1177
00:53:59,370 --> 00:53:56,380
their care the period after eight-thirty

1178
00:54:02,250 --> 00:53:59,380
p.m. is allocated to programs directed

1179
00:54:05,370 --> 00:54:02,260
at mature viewers sensing murder is a

1180
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:05,380
true crime documentary drama series it

1181
00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:07,750
examines unsolved crimes and features

1182
00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:09,700
reconstructions based on forensic

1183
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:12,520
information extensive research with case

1184
00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:14,980
experts and interviews with police who

1185
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:17,230
are involved in the investigation the

1186
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:19,660
program differentiates itself by

1187
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:21,580
departing from conventional detective

1188
00:54:26,339 --> 00:54:24,310
work regarding psychics who are charged

1189
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:26,349
with attempting to supply hitherto

1190
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,290
unknown information about the crime the

1191
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:31,359
program is designed to be entertaining

1192
00:54:36,329 --> 00:54:34,210
as it neither endorses nor promote

1193
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:36,339
psychics or the other paranormal

1194
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,830
phenomena directed at mature adults it

1195
00:54:42,329 --> 00:54:40,480
invites viewers to make up their own

1196
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:42,339
evaluations of the information supplied

1197
00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:45,369
by the psychics the program is created

1198
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:48,550
for entertainment purposes and it does

1199
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:51,250
not sanction psychic activities in

1200
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:53,380
addition the program makes it explicit

1201
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:55,450
that the police do not endorse or use

1202
00:54:59,970 --> 00:54:56,970
psychics in the course of their duties

1203
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,980
we do appreciate your concerns let us

1204
00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:01,599
such as yours provide valuable feedback

1205
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:04,420
about community standards thank you for

1206
00:55:08,940 --> 00:55:06,070
taking the time to write to us you're

1207
00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:08,950
sincerely David Mott general manager

1208
00:55:17,319 --> 00:55:10,430
network programming

1209
00:55:21,099 --> 00:55:17,329
kin dead one some years later when I was

1210
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:21,109
a TV judge on the TV show the one the

1211
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:23,630
subject of psychic detectives came up

1212
00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:25,730
when one of the challenges given to our

1213
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:29,319
contestants was to solve a cold case I

1214
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:32,510
was us and I put my opinions on psychic

1215
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:36,079
detectives quite strongly followed by my

1216
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,280
co-judge Stacey DeMarco okay Richard did

1217
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:46,240
is this there a place for psychics in

1218
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:51,020
work like this in police work from my

1219
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:53,150
point of view no there's not there's not

1220
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:56,809
because to this date I know of no

1221
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,599
psychic who has successfully brought a

1222
00:56:03,609 --> 00:56:01,520
case to conclusion found the villain

1223
00:56:06,220 --> 00:56:03,619
found the body solve the case using

1224
00:56:09,069 --> 00:56:06,230
psychic powers Stacey what the region

1225
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,079
likes it or knows of it or not there are

1226
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:12,559
police that have used psychics in the

1227
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:14,900
past to assist them with cases that has

1228
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:17,110
led to convictions

1229
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:19,900
whether skeptics want to believe that or

1230
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:22,330
not it's sort of a pattern of

1231
00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:24,970
pathological disbelief as well I'm

1232
00:56:28,590 --> 00:56:26,590
willing to accept that Stacey if you can

1233
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:28,600
bring me the cases oh well I guess we'll

1234
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,720
be talking after the show and in case

1235
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:40,240
you're wondering no nothing was said to

1236
00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:43,780
me afterwards no cases were brought

1237
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:46,600
forward so it's disappointing to hear

1238
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,550
that another series of sensing murder

1239
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:51,040
will be made in New Zealand maybe they

1240
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:52,390
could start the new series with a

1241
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:54,670
special show outlining all the cases

1242
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:57,250
they've solved on sensing murder over

1243
00:57:09,200 --> 00:56:57,770
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reports from New Zealand and in other

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news relating to cats hmm I'm delighted

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to say that our good friend and ace

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little kid called Mandrake and I'm even

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more delighted because that kitten came

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from the litter of a cat that belongs to

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Mandrake the new little skeptic zone

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kitten way up there in the mountains

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where Joe lives so big shout out to Joe

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and a big shout out to Mandrake the

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kitten oh he's such a sweetie folks he

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really is well with thoughts of kittens

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running around my head for this week

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